Back Room Open Again, Door Shut
Hey folks,
Happy Friday to you. OK, I’ll admit it. This was on the top of my little pile yesterday. Well, not THIS article, but pretty much one just like it. It was going to be the Daily Article yesterday. But then I thought to myself, "Who cares? This is going to be the same as the last one. We beat that one, we will prevail again." But then I saw this. From the AP-Senators vow to revive immigration bill By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent
Senate leaders vowed Thursday night to revive stalled immigration legislation as soon as next week, capping a furious rescue attempt led by President Bush.
The decision, announced by Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and his Republican counterpart, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, envisions a final vote on the complex bill before lawmakers begin their Fourth of July vacation.
This bill was defeated by YOU. As a matter of fact, according the a Rassmusen poll this past Wednesday,
Just 20% of American voters want Congress to try and pass the immigration reform bill that failed in the Senate last week. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 51% would like their legislators to "take smaller steps towards reform" while 16% believe they should wait until next year. The survey was conducted on Monday and Tuesday night as the President was publicly attempting to rally support for the legislation.
According to this poll most Americans agree with me and what I have been saying from the start. Secure the boarder first. Pass a legislation that does that solely. There would be no outcry of injustice. The American people would accept it.
Sixty-nine percent (69%) of voters would favor an approach that focuses exclusively on "exclusively on securing the border and reducing illegal immigration." Support for the enforcement only approach comes from 84% of Republicans, 55% of Democrats, and 69% of those not affiliated with either major party.
Back to the AP
The legislation has generated intense controversy, particularly for provisions envisioning eventual citizenship for many of the estimated 12 million immigrants now in the country unlawfully. The bill also calls for greater border security and a crackdown on the hiring of illegal employees.
Critics of the measure succeeded in sidetracking it last week, and given their continued opposition, the decision to bring it back for additional debate does not necessarily portend passage.
WE stopped it once, we will do EVERYTHING we can to kill it off totally this time. Yes, most are opposed to it because it IS Amnesty. This is a bunch of bunk "The legislation has generated intense controversy, particularly for provisions envisioning eventual citizenship for many of the estimated 12 million immigrants now in the country unlawfully." As SOON as the President signs the bill they are legal. Forget the citizenship bunk. That is only if they WANT citizenship. If not, who cares? They are legal. There is no penalty, fines, or anything else. They are legal.
Reid and McConnell announced their plans in a brief, two sentence statement that capped days of private negotiations by key senators as well as Bush's personal involvement.
"We met this evening with several of the senators involved in the immigration bill negotiations," they said. Based on that discussion, the immigration bill will return to the Senate floor after completion" of an unrelated energy measure now undergoing debate.
There was no immediate reaction from the White House.
I’m surprised. The President is so gun hoe about this. Make NO mistake about it. This IS President Bush’s fault. This IS what he wants. It was dead. Now it is alive again in the back room, shaded from your eyes.
"We're going to show the American people that the promises in this bill will be kept," Bush said, two days after launching a personal rescue mission.
That is what most Americans are angry about Mr. President. We do NOT want the promises of amnesty kept.
Any agreement was ultimately subject to approval by Reid, who has said repeatedly it was up to Bush and Republicans to line up the votes needed to advance the measure if it was to be brought back to the Senate for debate. Reid, who has expressed misgivings about elements of the bill, sidetracked it last week after supporters gained only 45 of the 60 votes needed.
In other words, pressure, bribe, or just try to intimidate opponents to vote for it. As for what you think? Bringing back this bill?
Republicans accounted for only seven of the 45 votes, and Reid said earlier this week, "We'll move on to immigration when they have their own act together."
Bush's decision to personally announce support for the accelerated funding reflected concerns expressed by Republican senators at a closed-door meeting on Tuesday. Several told him their constituents doubted the government was capable of following through on a commitment to enforce immigration laws.
In a letter sent to Bush before the meeting, Georgia Republican Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson wrote, "This lack of trust is rooted in the mistakes made in 1986, and the continued chaos surrounding our immigration laws. Understandably, the lack of credibility the federal government has on this issue gives merit to the skepticism of many about future immigration reform."
That is just ONE problem. That is a BIG one, but that is just one.
Under the legislation as drafted, money for border enforcement would be collected gradually as illegal immigrants pay the fines and fees needed to achieve legal status. The letter asked Bush to secure the border before other elements of the immigration measure go into effect, and the president agreed in his remarks to the Associated Builders and Contractors.
{Laughing} THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PAY!
"One common concern is whether the government will provide the resources to meet the goals in the bill. They say, `It's fine to talk about it, are you actually going to do something?'" he said.
"To answer these concerns I support an amendment that will provide $4.4 billion in immediate additional funding for securing our borders and enforcing our laws at the work site," he said.
"By matching our benchmarks with these critical funds, we're going to show the American people that the promises in this bill will be kept."
OK, first, we HAVE the money. It’s THERE already. Build the fence or pass a bill to do JUST that, then we will talk about what to do with those here. Wait, I have a Senator that actually agrees with me? With us?
But Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., who opposes the legislation, took a different view. "I appreciate the effort to fund border security, but there's simply no reason why we should be forced to tie amnesty to it. If the administration was serious about fulfilling the border security promises, then this funding should have been supported all along, not offered at the last minute to attract votes to a bad bill."
Way to go Jim. Pass a bill to secure the boarder. Then actually SECURE the boarder. After that, there can be no question that we believe or disbelieve you will do it. It would be done. Then the American people can be more open to talking about those here.
The problem is, we have heard all this before, we went from 3 million to now 12 to 20 million. We do not want to go from 12 to 20 million to 50 million. Prove you will and can secure the boarder. Then we will talk.
Doug and I had a debate on this issue in the comment section a little while back. Here is a solution to this whole mess that the 69 percent that are opposed to this, may be able to live with.
1- Secure the boarder first. Both physical and high tech fences.
Hey folks,
Happy Friday to you. OK, I’ll admit it. This was on the top of my little pile yesterday. Well, not THIS article, but pretty much one just like it. It was going to be the Daily Article yesterday. But then I thought to myself, "Who cares? This is going to be the same as the last one. We beat that one, we will prevail again." But then I saw this. From the AP-Senators vow to revive immigration bill By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent
Senate leaders vowed Thursday night to revive stalled immigration legislation as soon as next week, capping a furious rescue attempt led by President Bush.The decision, announced by Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and his Republican counterpart, Sen. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, envisions a final vote on the complex bill before lawmakers begin their Fourth of July vacation.
This bill was defeated by YOU. As a matter of fact, according the a Rassmusen poll this past Wednesday,
Just 20% of American voters want Congress to try and pass the immigration reform bill that failed in the Senate last week. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 51% would like their legislators to "take smaller steps towards reform" while 16% believe they should wait until next year. The survey was conducted on Monday and Tuesday night as the President was publicly attempting to rally support for the legislation.
According to this poll most Americans agree with me and what I have been saying from the start. Secure the boarder first. Pass a legislation that does that solely. There would be no outcry of injustice. The American people would accept it.
Sixty-nine percent (69%) of voters would favor an approach that focuses exclusively on "exclusively on securing the border and reducing illegal immigration." Support for the enforcement only approach comes from 84% of Republicans, 55% of Democrats, and 69% of those not affiliated with either major party.
Back to the AP
The legislation has generated intense controversy, particularly for provisions envisioning eventual citizenship for many of the estimated 12 million immigrants now in the country unlawfully. The bill also calls for greater border security and a crackdown on the hiring of illegal employees.
Critics of the measure succeeded in sidetracking it last week, and given their continued opposition, the decision to bring it back for additional debate does not necessarily portend passage.
WE stopped it once, we will do EVERYTHING we can to kill it off totally this time. Yes, most are opposed to it because it IS Amnesty. This is a bunch of bunk "The legislation has generated intense controversy, particularly for provisions envisioning eventual citizenship for many of the estimated 12 million immigrants now in the country unlawfully." As SOON as the President signs the bill they are legal. Forget the citizenship bunk. That is only if they WANT citizenship. If not, who cares? They are legal. There is no penalty, fines, or anything else. They are legal.
Reid and McConnell announced their plans in a brief, two sentence statement that capped days of private negotiations by key senators as well as Bush's personal involvement.
"We met this evening with several of the senators involved in the immigration bill negotiations," they said. Based on that discussion, the immigration bill will return to the Senate floor after completion" of an unrelated energy measure now undergoing debate.
There was no immediate reaction from the White House.
I’m surprised. The President is so gun hoe about this. Make NO mistake about it. This IS President Bush’s fault. This IS what he wants. It was dead. Now it is alive again in the back room, shaded from your eyes.
"We're going to show the American people that the promises in this bill will be kept," Bush said, two days after launching a personal rescue mission.
That is what most Americans are angry about Mr. President. We do NOT want the promises of amnesty kept.
Any agreement was ultimately subject to approval by Reid, who has said repeatedly it was up to Bush and Republicans to line up the votes needed to advance the measure if it was to be brought back to the Senate for debate. Reid, who has expressed misgivings about elements of the bill, sidetracked it last week after supporters gained only 45 of the 60 votes needed.
In other words, pressure, bribe, or just try to intimidate opponents to vote for it. As for what you think? Bringing back this bill?Republicans accounted for only seven of the 45 votes, and Reid said earlier this week, "We'll move on to immigration when they have their own act together."
Bush's decision to personally announce support for the accelerated funding reflected concerns expressed by Republican senators at a closed-door meeting on Tuesday. Several told him their constituents doubted the government was capable of following through on a commitment to enforce immigration laws.
In a letter sent to Bush before the meeting, Georgia Republican Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson wrote, "This lack of trust is rooted in the mistakes made in 1986, and the continued chaos surrounding our immigration laws. Understandably, the lack of credibility the federal government has on this issue gives merit to the skepticism of many about future immigration reform."
That is just ONE problem. That is a BIG one, but that is just one.
Under the legislation as drafted, money for border enforcement would be collected gradually as illegal immigrants pay the fines and fees needed to achieve legal status. The letter asked Bush to secure the border before other elements of the immigration measure go into effect, and the president agreed in his remarks to the Associated Builders and Contractors.
{Laughing} THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PAY!
"One common concern is whether the government will provide the resources to meet the goals in the bill. They say, `It's fine to talk about it, are you actually going to do something?'" he said.
"To answer these concerns I support an amendment that will provide $4.4 billion in immediate additional funding for securing our borders and enforcing our laws at the work site," he said.
"By matching our benchmarks with these critical funds, we're going to show the American people that the promises in this bill will be kept."
OK, first, we HAVE the money. It’s THERE already. Build the fence or pass a bill to do JUST that, then we will talk about what to do with those here. Wait, I have a Senator that actually agrees with me? With us?
But Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., who opposes the legislation, took a different view. "I appreciate the effort to fund border security, but there's simply no reason why we should be forced to tie amnesty to it. If the administration was serious about fulfilling the border security promises, then this funding should have been supported all along, not offered at the last minute to attract votes to a bad bill."Way to go Jim. Pass a bill to secure the boarder. Then actually SECURE the boarder. After that, there can be no question that we believe or disbelieve you will do it. It would be done. Then the American people can be more open to talking about those here.
The problem is, we have heard all this before, we went from 3 million to now 12 to 20 million. We do not want to go from 12 to 20 million to 50 million. Prove you will and can secure the boarder. Then we will talk.
Doug and I had a debate on this issue in the comment section a little while back. Here is a solution to this whole mess that the 69 percent that are opposed to this, may be able to live with.
1- Secure the boarder first. Both physical and high tech fences.
2- Smart cards. An ID card that uses DNA, so that they cannot be faked.
3- Give them a chance to become registered. If they fail to do so, when we catch them, they are gone.
4- Commit a crime after you arrived here? You are GONE.
5- Evaluate all new REGISTERED immigrate case by case. If there is health issues, or criminal histories. Gone.
6= HUGH fines for business owners for hiring those without the ID. Possible Jail time for the Executives.
It doesn’t have to be hundreds or pages of dribble that noone understands. Where things hide really well in. Simple, to the point, and solves the problem. But I have a feeling this will be another amnesty bill. Don’t wait. Start calling and writing again NOW. Let them know, if you vote for this back room bill that grants amnesty, you are out. You will NEVER receive my vote again.
Peter
It doesn’t have to be hundreds or pages of dribble that noone understands. Where things hide really well in. Simple, to the point, and solves the problem. But I have a feeling this will be another amnesty bill. Don’t wait. Start calling and writing again NOW. Let them know, if you vote for this back room bill that grants amnesty, you are out. You will NEVER receive my vote again.
Peter
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Congress just won't listen to the people. I would like to see some recalls over this.
Congress is supposed listen to majority of the voters will not pacify gays.
Bill
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