Real reactions from real people
Hey folks,
Here is a compilation of real thoughts and comments in regards to the Swine, uh, sorry, H1N1 Flu. I'm posting this to show that many of you out there want the answers to be given. You do not want to settle for, "Oh no big deal." or "Not as bad as we thought." ETC. You want answers.
Nomad said...
wow, how did this spread all the way to NYC so fast? That reminds me, I think now would be a good time to increase my daily dosage of Vitamin C and any other kind of immune system booster I can find
3:01 AM
Anonymous said...
My suspicion is that we have a man-made virus here. Some group is trying to duplicate the deadly 1918 virus. IF that is true, then next question: Who. Three categories: Zealots who believe only they are entitled to life, and that loosing one's own life in the process is glorious! or 2)Self-hating humans who think the world would be better off without our species or with a lesser number of us, 3) a government who promised more entitlement than it can deliver........ My bet, is on No. 3. Seen news about all the ready-made graves with crypts (to contain dangerous effluents from decomposing corpses) being prepared around the country………
8:29 AM
Anonymous said...
if this is so important, then why is our president playing golf?
12:14 PM
Anonymous said...
How many students from all over the USA took their Spring Breaks in Mexico, which was a destination well advertised long before the fact?
This could be a serious attack using our own students as infected disseminators from everywhere in the USA.
12:22 PM
Anonymous said...
It's obviously bollocks,This is a man made virus plain and simple a government official even got caught on camera saying we have never seen a strain like this before which was created in the laboratory,he's on youtube saying it for christ sake
9:41 PM
THX1138 said...
Why playing golf? Same reason why Bush kept reading a story to children during 9/11: he knew it was going to happen, knows how it will play out, knows the people who are already in charge of it. His role comes later.
This is just 9/11 part 2.
12:55 PM
Anonymous said...
I agree there are many suspicious facts surrounding this latest epidemic.
1st: The Sudden Outbreak
2nd: The speedy news coverage
3rd: A very recent mysterious disappearance of 3 viral containing vials from a Top Security Lab
4th: The unimpeded ease in which the infection spreads almost as if it was constructed to do so
5th: The overwhelming reaction by the governments around the world to this latest outbreak. Do they know something we don't?
6th: A never before seen flu that is a hybrid mix of Bird, Human, and Pig viral strains
7th That not one major or minor from what I have seen has even brought up the question yet if this is possibly a result of a man made bio-weapon
8th: This epidemic is totally out of flu season. It's warm and peoples immune systems are not depleted like in winter.
9th: The readiness of certain pharmaceutical companies offering to make a vaccine and to sell us viral fighting drugs. Isn't that sweet of them that they are willing to make an absolute fortune fighting something they might have constructed in the first place. If people haven't figured it out by now know it is not in their best interests to keep people healthy but on the margins between death and vibrancy.
2:13 PM
Dave said...
lets not forget the first case of swine flu was in the late 60's at FT DIX look it up.
infowars.com
I live in VT.MY 2 kids were sick for 12 days last week constant throwing up and diereia as well as others around here both were hospitalized. and the DR. said they have no idea what it was and 13 other were admitted as well.so now I wonder
6:47 PM
Anonymous said...
Open to a jury verdict = man made look at Baxter Inc their stocks will rise Plus - the amount of scientific data gathering and information that occurs about the spreading of a pathogen is priceless- i think these are beta test runs for the 'big ones' to come - not to be cynical - if you do the math you may see the same outcome - How close is science to engineering a virus that can attack a specific genetic makeup?
7:12 PM
nevercryshytwolf said...
It's totally man made. And I do think this is weird: The first case was seen in Mexico on April 13. The outbreak coincided with the President Barack Obamas trip to Mexico City on April 16. Obama was received at Mexico's anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, a distinguished archaeologist who died the following day from symptoms similar to flu, Reforma newspaper reported. The newspaper didn't confirm if Solis had it or not. When you combine this and plane incident in NYC on Monday morning I think we have some sort of 9/11 going on again. What are the chances of all this in the same week. Obama in Mexico at the same time and the plane. I think the plane was some type of test to see how fast building could be evacuated. I am not saying inside job I am saying they aren't telling us something. I live in NJ and there were 5 possible case reported on Monday which was five days ago. Still no confirmation. Not on the CDC website at least but yet there are articles online from newspapers saying they have been confirmed. Misinformation and Disinformation to say the least.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20090430_Nine_cases_of_swine_flu_confirmed_in_N_J___Del_.html
I have seen news footage of Delaware with confirmed cases and the person who has it. Still not on CDC website. If they aren't even reporting these I would find it hard to believe those numbers are even accurate or true.
3:11 AM
nevercryshytwolf said...
Also I saw the comment about Fort Dix. This is the first thing I rad on Saturday of last week. It actually happened on February 5 1976. This was the first thing I read. They mention in the media but not the whole story.They say oh a soldier got this, this isn't the first time, it happened in 1976 and everything was fine. What they don't tell you is it never left the base and was contained there. 250 people got it with no contact of pigs. This was before everything started happening and when I read it I instantly thought germ warfare.
3:20 AM
nevercryshytwolf said...
Oh my god. Look at this article.
Link is at bottom.
Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus
By Helen Branswell, THE CANADIAN PRESS
Last Updated: 27th February 2009, 3:26pm
The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses.
And an official of the World Health Organization’s European operation said the body is closely monitoring the investigation into the events that took place at Baxter International’s research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria.
“At this juncture we are confident in saying that public health and occupational risk is minimal at present,” medical officer Roberta Andraghetti said from Copenhagen, Denmark.
“But what remains unanswered are the circumstances surrounding the incident in the Baxter facility in Orth-Donau.”
The contaminated product, a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company. The Austrian firm, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, then sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany.
The contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn’t die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses.
Public health authorities concerned about what has been described as a “serious error” on Baxter’s part have assumed the death of the ferrets meant the H5N1 virus in the product was live. But the company, Baxter International Inc., has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the event.
On Friday, the company’s director of global bio-science communications confirmed what scientists have suspected.
“It was live,” Christopher Bona said in an email.
The contaminated product, which Baxter calls “experimental virus material,” was made at the Orth-Donau research facility. Baxter makes its flu vaccine — including a human H5N1 vaccine for which a licence is expected shortly — at a facility in the Czech Republic.
People familiar with bio-security rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted.
Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.
While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.
That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.
There is no suggestion that happened because of this accident, however.
“We have no evidence of any reassortment, that any reassortment may have occurred,” said Andraghetti.
“And we have no evidence of any increased transmissibility of the viruses that were involved in the experiment with the ferrets in the Czech Republic.”
Baxter hasn’t shed much light — at least not publicly — on how the accident happened. Earlier this week Bona called the mistake the result of a combination of “just the process itself, (and) technical and human error in this procedure.”
He said he couldn’t reveal more information because it would give away proprietary information about Baxter’s production process.
Andraghetti said Friday the four investigating governments are co-operating closely with the WHO and the European Centre for Disease Control in Stockholm, Sweden.
“We are in very close contact with Austrian authorities to understand what the circumstances of the incident in their laboratory were,” she said.
“And the reason for us wishing to know what has happened is to prevent similar events in the future and to share lessons that can be learned from this event with others to prevent similar events. ... This is very important.”
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html
4:19 AM
Anonymous said...
OH, How our country thinks. Close the schools keep your kids at home and have no large gatherings. To keep the virus from spreading but, keep the borders to Mexico open and keep the immigration celebrations going. And Mexico has the most reported virus so, lets keep the boarder open to spread more into the united states so that we can show respect for a country that failed to report the virus two months later. Know where's the respect for our country?
3:56 PM
D.S.Harford said...
Let's not allow any good crisis to go un-exploited.
3:15 PM
If I missed any, I apologize. You can read all the comments as they appeared and my responses to them at the Original Post Swine Flu Outbreak Could Be Man Made
So if you are starting to feel that there maybe something wrong with you for questioning this whole thing, just know that you are not alone. This is just the comments left here over the past few days. This does not include all the other places I have been talking about it and all the other places people are crying up for answers. You are not alone.
Hey folks,
Here is a compilation of real thoughts and comments in regards to the Swine, uh, sorry, H1N1 Flu. I'm posting this to show that many of you out there want the answers to be given. You do not want to settle for, "Oh no big deal." or "Not as bad as we thought." ETC. You want answers.Nomad said...
wow, how did this spread all the way to NYC so fast? That reminds me, I think now would be a good time to increase my daily dosage of Vitamin C and any other kind of immune system booster I can find
3:01 AM
Anonymous said...
My suspicion is that we have a man-made virus here. Some group is trying to duplicate the deadly 1918 virus. IF that is true, then next question: Who. Three categories: Zealots who believe only they are entitled to life, and that loosing one's own life in the process is glorious! or 2)Self-hating humans who think the world would be better off without our species or with a lesser number of us, 3) a government who promised more entitlement than it can deliver........ My bet, is on No. 3. Seen news about all the ready-made graves with crypts (to contain dangerous effluents from decomposing corpses) being prepared around the country………
8:29 AM
Anonymous said...
if this is so important, then why is our president playing golf?
12:14 PM
Anonymous said...
How many students from all over the USA took their Spring Breaks in Mexico, which was a destination well advertised long before the fact?
This could be a serious attack using our own students as infected disseminators from everywhere in the USA.
12:22 PM
Anonymous said...
It's obviously bollocks,This is a man made virus plain and simple a government official even got caught on camera saying we have never seen a strain like this before which was created in the laboratory,he's on youtube saying it for christ sake
9:41 PM
THX1138 said...
Why playing golf? Same reason why Bush kept reading a story to children during 9/11: he knew it was going to happen, knows how it will play out, knows the people who are already in charge of it. His role comes later.
This is just 9/11 part 2.
12:55 PM
Anonymous said...
I agree there are many suspicious facts surrounding this latest epidemic.
1st: The Sudden Outbreak
2nd: The speedy news coverage
3rd: A very recent mysterious disappearance of 3 viral containing vials from a Top Security Lab
4th: The unimpeded ease in which the infection spreads almost as if it was constructed to do so
5th: The overwhelming reaction by the governments around the world to this latest outbreak. Do they know something we don't?
6th: A never before seen flu that is a hybrid mix of Bird, Human, and Pig viral strains
7th That not one major or minor from what I have seen has even brought up the question yet if this is possibly a result of a man made bio-weapon
8th: This epidemic is totally out of flu season. It's warm and peoples immune systems are not depleted like in winter.
9th: The readiness of certain pharmaceutical companies offering to make a vaccine and to sell us viral fighting drugs. Isn't that sweet of them that they are willing to make an absolute fortune fighting something they might have constructed in the first place. If people haven't figured it out by now know it is not in their best interests to keep people healthy but on the margins between death and vibrancy.
2:13 PM
Dave said...
lets not forget the first case of swine flu was in the late 60's at FT DIX look it up.
infowars.com
I live in VT.MY 2 kids were sick for 12 days last week constant throwing up and diereia as well as others around here both were hospitalized. and the DR. said they have no idea what it was and 13 other were admitted as well.so now I wonder
6:47 PM
Anonymous said...
Open to a jury verdict = man made look at Baxter Inc their stocks will rise Plus - the amount of scientific data gathering and information that occurs about the spreading of a pathogen is priceless- i think these are beta test runs for the 'big ones' to come - not to be cynical - if you do the math you may see the same outcome - How close is science to engineering a virus that can attack a specific genetic makeup?
7:12 PM
nevercryshytwolf said...
It's totally man made. And I do think this is weird: The first case was seen in Mexico on April 13. The outbreak coincided with the President Barack Obamas trip to Mexico City on April 16. Obama was received at Mexico's anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, a distinguished archaeologist who died the following day from symptoms similar to flu, Reforma newspaper reported. The newspaper didn't confirm if Solis had it or not. When you combine this and plane incident in NYC on Monday morning I think we have some sort of 9/11 going on again. What are the chances of all this in the same week. Obama in Mexico at the same time and the plane. I think the plane was some type of test to see how fast building could be evacuated. I am not saying inside job I am saying they aren't telling us something. I live in NJ and there were 5 possible case reported on Monday which was five days ago. Still no confirmation. Not on the CDC website at least but yet there are articles online from newspapers saying they have been confirmed. Misinformation and Disinformation to say the least.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20090430_Nine_cases_of_swine_flu_confirmed_in_N_J___Del_.html
I have seen news footage of Delaware with confirmed cases and the person who has it. Still not on CDC website. If they aren't even reporting these I would find it hard to believe those numbers are even accurate or true.
3:11 AM
nevercryshytwolf said...
Also I saw the comment about Fort Dix. This is the first thing I rad on Saturday of last week. It actually happened on February 5 1976. This was the first thing I read. They mention in the media but not the whole story.They say oh a soldier got this, this isn't the first time, it happened in 1976 and everything was fine. What they don't tell you is it never left the base and was contained there. 250 people got it with no contact of pigs. This was before everything started happening and when I read it I instantly thought germ warfare.
3:20 AM
nevercryshytwolf said...
Oh my god. Look at this article.
Link is at bottom.
Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus
By Helen Branswell, THE CANADIAN PRESS
Last Updated: 27th February 2009, 3:26pm
The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses.
And an official of the World Health Organization’s European operation said the body is closely monitoring the investigation into the events that took place at Baxter International’s research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria.
“At this juncture we are confident in saying that public health and occupational risk is minimal at present,” medical officer Roberta Andraghetti said from Copenhagen, Denmark.
“But what remains unanswered are the circumstances surrounding the incident in the Baxter facility in Orth-Donau.”
The contaminated product, a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company. The Austrian firm, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, then sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany.
The contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn’t die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses.
Public health authorities concerned about what has been described as a “serious error” on Baxter’s part have assumed the death of the ferrets meant the H5N1 virus in the product was live. But the company, Baxter International Inc., has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the event.
On Friday, the company’s director of global bio-science communications confirmed what scientists have suspected.
“It was live,” Christopher Bona said in an email.
The contaminated product, which Baxter calls “experimental virus material,” was made at the Orth-Donau research facility. Baxter makes its flu vaccine — including a human H5N1 vaccine for which a licence is expected shortly — at a facility in the Czech Republic.
People familiar with bio-security rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted.
Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.
While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.
That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created.
There is no suggestion that happened because of this accident, however.
“We have no evidence of any reassortment, that any reassortment may have occurred,” said Andraghetti.
“And we have no evidence of any increased transmissibility of the viruses that were involved in the experiment with the ferrets in the Czech Republic.”
Baxter hasn’t shed much light — at least not publicly — on how the accident happened. Earlier this week Bona called the mistake the result of a combination of “just the process itself, (and) technical and human error in this procedure.”
He said he couldn’t reveal more information because it would give away proprietary information about Baxter’s production process.
Andraghetti said Friday the four investigating governments are co-operating closely with the WHO and the European Centre for Disease Control in Stockholm, Sweden.
“We are in very close contact with Austrian authorities to understand what the circumstances of the incident in their laboratory were,” she said.
“And the reason for us wishing to know what has happened is to prevent similar events in the future and to share lessons that can be learned from this event with others to prevent similar events. ... This is very important.”
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html
4:19 AM
Anonymous said...
OH, How our country thinks. Close the schools keep your kids at home and have no large gatherings. To keep the virus from spreading but, keep the borders to Mexico open and keep the immigration celebrations going. And Mexico has the most reported virus so, lets keep the boarder open to spread more into the united states so that we can show respect for a country that failed to report the virus two months later. Know where's the respect for our country?
3:56 PM
D.S.Harford said...
Let's not allow any good crisis to go un-exploited.
3:15 PM
If I missed any, I apologize. You can read all the comments as they appeared and my responses to them at the Original Post Swine Flu Outbreak Could Be Man Made
So if you are starting to feel that there maybe something wrong with you for questioning this whole thing, just know that you are not alone. This is just the comments left here over the past few days. This does not include all the other places I have been talking about it and all the other places people are crying up for answers. You are not alone.
Let's say we get complacent and just ignore this and go one to other stuff. Then, all of a sudden, BAM, it mutates, or another outbreak of something deadlier comes along. Will we be ready? No folks, as long as there are updates to give, even if others are moving on, we here at the OPNTalk Blog will keep an eye on this, and I will continue to bring you the latest.
Peter
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