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Sunday, September 26, 2010

Intellectual Debate, California Legislature to Expand Illegal Alien Benefits

Preview for Sunday 092610

Hey folks,

It really is. I need to answer this question because I keep getting asked why all of a sudden, I seem to not be interested in defending my position on this or that, when challenged. Simply put, at times, defending the truth is pointless, and a waste of time. Here is what I'm talking about.

This question was posed to me after this exchange over at Tom Sullivan Radio Listener's Club. I was talking about the Ground Zero Mosque being on a fast track and the Greek Orthodox Church was not being allowed to be RE-build, where it had been for something like 80 years. If we are talking First Amendment, then the Greek Church shouldn't be having any problems. Well, here is the exchange between me and Liberal John Daniel.


JD - "Peter, with regard to the Greek Orthodox Church, you've been victimized. Again. The church is rebuilding just a couple of thousand feet away and said church received 20 Million, 10 Million of it came from JP Morgan Chase, which wants to build one of the new towers and needs the room. Your first and foremost responsibility as an American is not to spread BS or be victim to BS specifically-designed to appeal to your fear and capitalize upon your limited understanding of the world."

PC - "Hey John, YOU might want to check YOUR facts. Are they building right now? They stopped? Why?"

JD - "Peter, if I'm going to give you my time, I need a better response than that, what are your specific rebuttals? You want to be a "blogger," but no heavy lifting? Unless you're feigning naivety. It's about M.O.N.E.Y. Goldman wants the spot of land. Simple as that. For further humiliation, and who is really a "friend of Islam," read my forum post "Tom, who you Daddy?""
Truth is, they are NOT rebuilding. Truth is, they were forced to stop. What I said is accurate. I do not have to argue for argument sake. Then there was another Lib that responded to me over at Facebook whom just mindlessly repeated Lib Talking points instead of actually attempting to debate. I did not respond. Why? There is no point.

Look, If I say, "The sky is Blue." Then give you the Scientific Method on which I base this, other than pure observation, and you respond with, "No. The Sky is actually Green. Here is how I came to the conclusion I did." OK. Now we are having a debate. I can check your facts, you can check mine, the Observers, Readers, can check out both for themselves and come to their own conclusion.

However, if I say "The sky is Blue." Then give you the Scientific Method on which I base this, other than pure observation, and you respond with, "No. Your an Idiot. Everyone knows the sky is Green." Or "Are you a Geologist? The color of the sky is just too complex for the layman to understand." Or, "You are just saying that because you are Racist. You hate Green. Maybe you will come around to the 21 Century one day." There is now nothing more to discuss. I said the Sky is Blue, and told you why. You said I'm wrong, but offered no proof as to why you are right. There is now no room for an Intellectual Debate. I would repeat myself, or attempt to defend myself against your attacks and the TOPIC will get lost all together. It will turn into an argument for argument sake and become boring to those following along.

I'm a busy guy. So I've decided not to waste any more time in arguments for argument sake, nor will I defend myself against insane and baseless accusations. If you want to debate me, be ready to prove your point. Come prepared to back what you say, then we can actually have an intellectual debate. If all you are willing to do is attack, then do not bother.

Anyway, happy Sunday to you. Coming right up today?

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Remember, you can follow along on Twitter, go to Facebook, Tom Sullivan Radio Listener's Club, and as always, the Email is opntalk@gmail.com. Before we get to all this, did you catch THIS. People wonder why people are AGAINST Illegal Aliens? Here is a PERFECT example.

California Legislature to Expand Illegal Alien Benefits
PR Newswire WASHINGTON, Sept. 24
Dream Act Would Allow Access to Financial Aid, Grants Unless Vetoed by Governor

WASHINGTON, Sept. 24 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Nearly three months into the fiscal year, the California legislature and Gov. Schwarzenegger are finalizing a budget agreement that calls for massive cuts in state programs to close the state's projected $19 billion budget gap. While most Californians will be feeling the pain – and lots of it – the California legislature not only spared, but expanded benefits to at least one political interest in the state: Illegal aliens.

Senate Bill 1460 and Assembly Bill 1413, collectively -referred to as the California DREAM Act, were approved by the legislature and are headed to Gov. Schwarzenegger's desk. By some estimates, these bills could provide over $38 million in state benefits to help illegal aliens attend California colleges and universities. This assistance comes on top of an estimated $88 million a year California taxpayers continue to provide to illegal aliens in the form of in-state tuition benefits, despite the fact that a state appeals court has ruled the policy unconstitutional.

If Gov. Schwarzenegger signs the California DREAM Act before the Sept. 30 deadline, illegal aliens would be eligible to receive taxpayer funded grants and assistance to offset the ever increasing costs of attending public colleges and universities in California. The bill also expands the definition of who is eligible to receive in-state tuition subsidies. Currently, students must have attended three years of high school in California to qualify. Under SB 1460, anyone who completes three years of secondary school, and earns a degree, in California is eligible for in-state tuition. Secondary schools include trade and adult schools.

"The California legislature continues to demonstrate its contempt for law-abiding, taxpaying Californians," charged Dan Stein, president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). "As they put the final touches on a budget that cuts vital services and programs, illegal aliens get new rewards.

"The California college and university system – once the crown jewel of America's public higher education system – has been forced to cut admissions and programs, while dramatically increasing tuition and student fees in recent years. While countless deserving students, who are legal U.S. residents, are being left out in the cold because admissions have been cut, or because they cannot afford the rising tuitions, the legislature is approving new benefits to illegal aliens," said Stein.

Gov. Schwarzenegger refused to sign almost identical legislation in 2008. At the time, the governor stated, "[G]iven the precarious fiscal condition the state faces at this time, it would not be prudent to place additional demands on our limited financial aid resources as specified in this bill."

"California's fiscal condition has only grown more precarious since 2008," noted Stein. "We call upon Gov. Schwarzenegger to once again act as a check on a reckless and irresponsible legislature that continues to provide benefits to illegal aliens as it inflicts pain on everyone else in the state. Fiscal responsibility, not to mention basic respect for the people of California, requires that the governor veto SB 1460," Stein concluded.

Some basic facts about illegal immigration and California higher education:

During the last fiscal year, the California State University system's budget was cut by $564 million.

As a result of budget cuts, admissions to the 23 California State universities were reduced by 40,000 students. (One-time federal stimulus money will allow 10,000 of those seats to be restored.)

The average in-state tuition at a Cal State school is now $5,000 per year. As recently as the 2000-01 academic year, tuition cost $1,800.

The average in-state tuition at the ten University of California schools is $11,285 per year. Books, supplies, insurance and other requirements bring the cost to $16,470.
Room and board for non-commuting students increases the cost to $29,450.

California already spends nearly $21.8 billion on all programs and services for illegal aliens and their families – an amount greater than the state's $19 billion projected budget shortfall.

About FAIR

Founded in 1979, FAIR is the country's largest immigration reform group. With over 250,000 members nationwide, FAIR fights for immigration policies that serve national interests, not special interests.

FAIR believes that immigration reform must enhance national security, improve the economy, protect jobs, preserve our environment, and establish a rule of law that is recognized and enforced.

SOURCE FAIR
Yeah, I know. Compassion for those who just want a better life. Right? Going to fill my cup. Be right back.
Peter

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