Dems Mad Bush Taking Ball and Going Home
Hey folks,
What do I think about President Bush refusing to play with Congress. I say GREAT! I hope he keeps it up, when and where it is legal to do so. In this case, it’s legal.
You may or may not like Executive Orders. I do not really care for them. They are dangerous. Just like a gun. It can be used for good, or it could kill an innocent life. The gun itself is dangerous, but neither good or evil, it’s the person using it. I do not like guns either, but I understand why they are needed. Same thing with Executive Privilege.
I do fear the abuse of Executive Orders and the blanket mantra of Executive Privilege. They are Constitutional. We also have a thing called the separation of powers that some seem to forget from time to time. The President is STILL the most important office in the land. In this case, the President seems to be using them in an attempt to end the game that the LWL is playing.
First, no laws were broken. Just like the Libby “trial.” Just like Libby, the President did nothing wrong or illegal. Reminder, Clinton fired ALL of them in his time. They cannot get the President on anything to do with this. So what are they doing? As we saw with Libby, they are attempting to get as many people as possible to testify under oath. This way, even though there is no crime, they can try to catch them up in a process crime. As they did with Libby. Get them to slip up during their testimony and say “Look! See, they say they cannot remember. We say they are lying. They are Guilty.” Worked with Libby.
This is another witch hunt. They came right out and told you, they were going to make the President’s last days in office hell, with endless investigations. They TOLD you they were going to play this game. President Bush DID cooperate in the beginning. He did allow them to run rough shot all over the place. He did not attempt to stop them. He did not stop people from being forced to testify in bogus, meaningless, and idiotic investigations. Until Libby.
I truly believe that the President wasn’t all the concerned. He knew he did nothing wrong. Yet they continued the “trial" even though they KNEW the leaker. Then when you see people like Sandy Burglar get a little fine and probation, and Scooter get 2 and a half years in jail? Then an order to rush to jail while appealing? It was all political.
Now I think the President has had enough. According to AP -Bush denies Congress access to aides By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
President Bush directed former aides to defy congressional subpoenas, claiming executive privilege and prodding lawmakers closer to their first contempt citations against administration officials since Ronald Reagan was president.
It was the second time in as many weeks that Bush had cited executive privilege in resisting Congress' investigation into the firings of U.S. attorneys.
White House Counsel Fred Fielding insisted that Bush was acting in good faith in withholding documents and directing the two aides — Fielding's predecessor, Harriet Miers, and Bush's former political director, Sara Taylor — to defy subpoenas ordering them to explain their roles in the firings over the winter.
In the standoff between branches of government, Fielding renewed the White House offer to let Miers, Taylor and other administration officials meet with congressional investigators off the record and with no transcript. He declined to explain anew the legal underpinnings of the privilege claim as the chairmen of the House and Senate judiciary committees had directed.
"You may be assured that the president's assertion here comports with prior practices in similar contexts, and that it has been appropriately documented," Fielding wrote.
This way, Congress can learn their role, yet cannot trap them like they did with Libby. This is a smart move.
Rep. John Conyers, chairman of the House panel, left little doubt where the showdown was headed.
"Contrary to what the White House may believe, it is the Congress and the courts that will decide whether an invocation of executive privilege is valid, not the White House unilaterally," the Michigan Democrat said.
WRONG. Congress does not decide what the President does in reference to who he hires or fires. You are trying to. But you do not. Like I said before. He is President, you are not. Like it or not, he IS more important than you. He is attempting to run this country and keep us safe. YOU? You are just playing games.
Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said the posturing was a waste of time and money and a distraction from the questions at hand: Who ordered the firings, why, and whether Attorney General Alberto Gonzales should continue to serve or be fired.
No. All these pointless and politically motivated investigations are a waste of time. You know, time that could be spent running the country? Instead of pandering to a very small minority of complete and absolutely insane morons?
Specter, a former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the Democrats' threat of taking the standoff to court on a contempt citation was spurious because the prosecutor who would consider it is a Bush appointee.
"On a case like this, does anyone believe the U.S. attorney is going to bring a criminal contempt citation against anyone?" Specter said in a telephone interview. "The U.S. attorney works for the president and it's a discretionary matter what the U.S. attorney does."
Historically, such standoffs over executive privilege are resolved before the full House or Senate votes on referring a congressional contempt citation to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia. But rather than cooling off over the July 4th holiday, Bush and Democrats returned from the weeklong break closer to a legal confrontation.
Get this.
The last contempt finding Congress sought to prosecute was against former Environmental Protection Agency official Rita Lavelle in 1983. The Democratic-led House voted 413-0 to cite her for contempt for refusing to appear before a House committee. She was later acquitted in court of the contempt charge but was convicted of perjury in a separate trial.
Did you catch it? It said “but was convicted of perjury in a separate trial.” This seems to be the new favorite tactic of the LWL. No real crime, get them on perjury. There really is a question, in reference to separation of powers, if Congress can even ask for what they are asking for.
Fielding invoked executive privilege in dismissing a Monday morning deadline set by Conyers and Leahy for the White House to explain and list which documents it was withholding from their committees.
"We are aware of no authority by which a congressional committee may `direct' the executive to undertake the task of creating and providing an extensive description of every document covered by an assertion of executive privilege," he wrote.
He also wrote
He argued that the committees' "open-ended" investigation into the firings had no constitutional basis, in large part because the president has the right to hire and fire his own political appointees.
I hope President Bush keeps it up. To Congress, STOP these idiot investigations and witch hunts, and do your job. Make the country better. Do SOMETHING. Sadly, I just believe, they have no clue.
Peter
Hey folks,
What do I think about President Bush refusing to play with Congress. I say GREAT! I hope he keeps it up, when and where it is legal to do so. In this case, it’s legal.You may or may not like Executive Orders. I do not really care for them. They are dangerous. Just like a gun. It can be used for good, or it could kill an innocent life. The gun itself is dangerous, but neither good or evil, it’s the person using it. I do not like guns either, but I understand why they are needed. Same thing with Executive Privilege.
I do fear the abuse of Executive Orders and the blanket mantra of Executive Privilege. They are Constitutional. We also have a thing called the separation of powers that some seem to forget from time to time. The President is STILL the most important office in the land. In this case, the President seems to be using them in an attempt to end the game that the LWL is playing.
First, no laws were broken. Just like the Libby “trial.” Just like Libby, the President did nothing wrong or illegal. Reminder, Clinton fired ALL of them in his time. They cannot get the President on anything to do with this. So what are they doing? As we saw with Libby, they are attempting to get as many people as possible to testify under oath. This way, even though there is no crime, they can try to catch them up in a process crime. As they did with Libby. Get them to slip up during their testimony and say “Look! See, they say they cannot remember. We say they are lying. They are Guilty.” Worked with Libby.
This is another witch hunt. They came right out and told you, they were going to make the President’s last days in office hell, with endless investigations. They TOLD you they were going to play this game. President Bush DID cooperate in the beginning. He did allow them to run rough shot all over the place. He did not attempt to stop them. He did not stop people from being forced to testify in bogus, meaningless, and idiotic investigations. Until Libby.
I truly believe that the President wasn’t all the concerned. He knew he did nothing wrong. Yet they continued the “trial" even though they KNEW the leaker. Then when you see people like Sandy Burglar get a little fine and probation, and Scooter get 2 and a half years in jail? Then an order to rush to jail while appealing? It was all political.
Now I think the President has had enough. According to AP -Bush denies Congress access to aides By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
President Bush directed former aides to defy congressional subpoenas, claiming executive privilege and prodding lawmakers closer to their first contempt citations against administration officials since Ronald Reagan was president.
It was the second time in as many weeks that Bush had cited executive privilege in resisting Congress' investigation into the firings of U.S. attorneys.
White House Counsel Fred Fielding insisted that Bush was acting in good faith in withholding documents and directing the two aides — Fielding's predecessor, Harriet Miers, and Bush's former political director, Sara Taylor — to defy subpoenas ordering them to explain their roles in the firings over the winter.In the standoff between branches of government, Fielding renewed the White House offer to let Miers, Taylor and other administration officials meet with congressional investigators off the record and with no transcript. He declined to explain anew the legal underpinnings of the privilege claim as the chairmen of the House and Senate judiciary committees had directed.
"You may be assured that the president's assertion here comports with prior practices in similar contexts, and that it has been appropriately documented," Fielding wrote.
This way, Congress can learn their role, yet cannot trap them like they did with Libby. This is a smart move.
Rep. John Conyers, chairman of the House panel, left little doubt where the showdown was headed.
"Contrary to what the White House may believe, it is the Congress and the courts that will decide whether an invocation of executive privilege is valid, not the White House unilaterally," the Michigan Democrat said.
WRONG. Congress does not decide what the President does in reference to who he hires or fires. You are trying to. But you do not. Like I said before. He is President, you are not. Like it or not, he IS more important than you. He is attempting to run this country and keep us safe. YOU? You are just playing games.
Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said the posturing was a waste of time and money and a distraction from the questions at hand: Who ordered the firings, why, and whether Attorney General Alberto Gonzales should continue to serve or be fired.
No. All these pointless and politically motivated investigations are a waste of time. You know, time that could be spent running the country? Instead of pandering to a very small minority of complete and absolutely insane morons?
Specter, a former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the Democrats' threat of taking the standoff to court on a contempt citation was spurious because the prosecutor who would consider it is a Bush appointee.
"On a case like this, does anyone believe the U.S. attorney is going to bring a criminal contempt citation against anyone?" Specter said in a telephone interview. "The U.S. attorney works for the president and it's a discretionary matter what the U.S. attorney does."
Historically, such standoffs over executive privilege are resolved before the full House or Senate votes on referring a congressional contempt citation to the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia. But rather than cooling off over the July 4th holiday, Bush and Democrats returned from the weeklong break closer to a legal confrontation.
Get this.
The last contempt finding Congress sought to prosecute was against former Environmental Protection Agency official Rita Lavelle in 1983. The Democratic-led House voted 413-0 to cite her for contempt for refusing to appear before a House committee. She was later acquitted in court of the contempt charge but was convicted of perjury in a separate trial.
Did you catch it? It said “but was convicted of perjury in a separate trial.” This seems to be the new favorite tactic of the LWL. No real crime, get them on perjury. There really is a question, in reference to separation of powers, if Congress can even ask for what they are asking for.
Fielding invoked executive privilege in dismissing a Monday morning deadline set by Conyers and Leahy for the White House to explain and list which documents it was withholding from their committees.
"We are aware of no authority by which a congressional committee may `direct' the executive to undertake the task of creating and providing an extensive description of every document covered by an assertion of executive privilege," he wrote.
He also wrote
He argued that the committees' "open-ended" investigation into the firings had no constitutional basis, in large part because the president has the right to hire and fire his own political appointees.
I hope President Bush keeps it up. To Congress, STOP these idiot investigations and witch hunts, and do your job. Make the country better. Do SOMETHING. Sadly, I just believe, they have no clue.
Peter
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