Our Enemies Love The ISG Report
Hey folks,
Yes I know it’s Sunday. Yes the IWA is coming up. But THIS is too important to not comment on. OH how I want so badly to move away from this "Surrender Monkeys" report, but, it is far too important to do that right this second. Turns out Iraq calls it an insult, and our enemies love it. What should that tell you? They are even WRITING our news now?
According to the Christian Science Monitor,
"The Jordan Times - a paper with ties to the state, a US ally - hailed the recent ouster of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the ISG's report as a "return to common sense" in its lead editorial. "All of a sudden Washington appears to be heading towards a less bellicose and more cooperative stand on Middle East issues,'' it wrote, praising the report's recommendations to engage Iran and Syria and start a "gradual pullout of its troops to end the occupation.""
Nabil Amr, a top adviser to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, described the report as "excellent," saying he read it as an acknowledgement of Bush administration failures in Iraq and the region.
"The administration must wake up and see the reality on the ground in the Middle East requires a different policy,'' he says."
Of course. They WANT us to leave. They want us to fail. They WANT Iraq. Get this,
"Zbulun Orlev {That is actually Zvulun Orlev, No pic Avail.} of Israel's right-wing National Religious Party labeled the report "unfriendly" to Israel, particularly in its advocacy for engaging Iran and calling for a "land for peace" approach to the problems in the Palestinian territories, which it says are inflaming regional problems.
"We thought after six years of Bush, the policies which Baker represents had died," Mr. Orlev says, referring to ISG co-chair James Baker, who was the secretary of State under President George H. W. Bush, during which time he pushed for a peace deal with the Palestinians.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert made a point at a press conference Thursday to say that the report does not necessarily reflect Bush administration policy.
"Israelis know Baker's determination quite well," says Gershon Baskin, co-chair of the Israel-Palestine center for research and information. "If Bush accepts the recommendations, Israelis are going to face pressure they're not used to.""
So the Israelis, our allies, see this report as anti-Semitic, which it is. If we are talking about "talking" to and asking help from someone who said they want to wipe you off the face of the map, that would be fine with YOU?
Then you have this little tidbit,
"One demand has already been articulated. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who makes the final decisions in foreign policy, said US troops must pull out of Iraq before Iran would help reduce the violence: "The occupation of Iraq is not a morsel that the US can swallow," Mr. Khamenei said during a visit by Iraq's president in late November. "The first step to resolve the instability in Iraq is the withdrawal of occupiers from this country and the transfer of security responsibilities to the popular Iraqi government."
The ISG calls for a negotiated settlement with Syria to stop shipping weapons to Hizbullah, the Shiite militant group, and stop allowing Iran to transport weapons across the country to Hizbullah in Lebanon. It calls for Syria's full cooperation in investigating all political assassinations in Lebanon, and to encourage Hamas to recognize Israel's right to exist.
In exchange, the ISG recommends that Israel return the Golan Heights to Syria, with an international force on the border that could include US troops, if both countries agree."
I love this following statement. This is the mentality of those that want us to surrender.
"Sure, Iran and Syria may be allowing people to come across their border and providing some arms or money, but the conflict is overwhelmingly about sectarian enmity inside Iraq,'' says Andrew Garfield, a former British military intelligence officer who spent most of last year as an adviser in Iraq and is now a senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute in Washington."
Hey folks,
Yes I know it’s Sunday. Yes the IWA is coming up. But THIS is too important to not comment on. OH how I want so badly to move away from this "Surrender Monkeys" report, but, it is far too important to do that right this second. Turns out Iraq calls it an insult, and our enemies love it. What should that tell you? They are even WRITING our news now?
According to the Christian Science Monitor,
"The Jordan Times - a paper with ties to the state, a US ally - hailed the recent ouster of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and the ISG's report as a "return to common sense" in its lead editorial. "All of a sudden Washington appears to be heading towards a less bellicose and more cooperative stand on Middle East issues,'' it wrote, praising the report's recommendations to engage Iran and Syria and start a "gradual pullout of its troops to end the occupation.""
Nabil Amr, a top adviser to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, described the report as "excellent," saying he read it as an acknowledgement of Bush administration failures in Iraq and the region.
"The administration must wake up and see the reality on the ground in the Middle East requires a different policy,'' he says."
Of course. They WANT us to leave. They want us to fail. They WANT Iraq. Get this,
"Zbulun Orlev {That is actually Zvulun Orlev, No pic Avail.} of Israel's right-wing National Religious Party labeled the report "unfriendly" to Israel, particularly in its advocacy for engaging Iran and calling for a "land for peace" approach to the problems in the Palestinian territories, which it says are inflaming regional problems.
"We thought after six years of Bush, the policies which Baker represents had died," Mr. Orlev says, referring to ISG co-chair James Baker, who was the secretary of State under President George H. W. Bush, during which time he pushed for a peace deal with the Palestinians.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert made a point at a press conference Thursday to say that the report does not necessarily reflect Bush administration policy.
"Israelis know Baker's determination quite well," says Gershon Baskin, co-chair of the Israel-Palestine center for research and information. "If Bush accepts the recommendations, Israelis are going to face pressure they're not used to.""
So the Israelis, our allies, see this report as anti-Semitic, which it is. If we are talking about "talking" to and asking help from someone who said they want to wipe you off the face of the map, that would be fine with YOU?
Then you have this little tidbit,
"One demand has already been articulated. Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who makes the final decisions in foreign policy, said US troops must pull out of Iraq before Iran would help reduce the violence: "The occupation of Iraq is not a morsel that the US can swallow," Mr. Khamenei said during a visit by Iraq's president in late November. "The first step to resolve the instability in Iraq is the withdrawal of occupiers from this country and the transfer of security responsibilities to the popular Iraqi government."
The ISG calls for a negotiated settlement with Syria to stop shipping weapons to Hizbullah, the Shiite militant group, and stop allowing Iran to transport weapons across the country to Hizbullah in Lebanon. It calls for Syria's full cooperation in investigating all political assassinations in Lebanon, and to encourage Hamas to recognize Israel's right to exist.
In exchange, the ISG recommends that Israel return the Golan Heights to Syria, with an international force on the border that could include US troops, if both countries agree."
I love this following statement. This is the mentality of those that want us to surrender.
"Sure, Iran and Syria may be allowing people to come across their border and providing some arms or money, but the conflict is overwhelmingly about sectarian enmity inside Iraq,'' says Andrew Garfield, a former British military intelligence officer who spent most of last year as an adviser in Iraq and is now a senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute in Washington."
{Laughing} "Sure, Iran and Syria may be allowing people to come across their border and providing some arms or money, but," They are KILLING AMERICAN SOLDIERS!!! Sure but, let’s ask them for help. They say SURE, we’ll help, KILL YOU!! Idiots.
Notice this little note on the bottom of this ridiculous article? Allow me to point it out for you,
"* A stringer in Tehran, Iran, contributed to this report."
A "Stinger" =A contestant, player, or other person ranked according to skill. One of "Little Hitler’s" drones helped write this article. Got to love it.
How does Iraq itself feel about this "Surrender Monkeys" report? According to the AP,
"The Iraqi president said Sunday the bipartisan U.S. report calling for a new approach to the war offered dangerous recommendations that would undermine his country's sovereignty and were "an insult to the people of Iraq."
President Jalal Talabani was the most senior government official to take a stand against the Iraq Study Group report, which has come under criticism from leaders of the governing Shiite and Kurdish parties.
He said the report "is not fair, is not just, and it contains some very dangerous articles which undermine the sovereignty of Iraq and the constitution.""
He goes on to say,
"I believe that President George Bush is a brave and committed man and he is adamant to support the Iraqi government until they've reached success," he said. He said setting conditions was "an insult to the people of Iraq."
STOP! Wait a second! Now he did it. Someone should tell President Talabani that complimenting President Bush is a sure way to get more people to disagree with him. {Smile}
"If we can agree with the U.S. government to give us the right of organizing, training, arming our armed forces, it will be possible in 2008 (for U.S.-led forces) to start to leave Iraq and to go back home," he said.
"If you read this report, one would think that it is written for a young, small colony that they are imposing these conditions on," Talabani said. "We are a sovereign country."
Then you have this other interesting little tidbit of information in reference to our enemies loving this report,
""Syria's ruling party's Al-Baath newspaper urged Bush to take the Iraq Study Group's report seriously because it would "diminish hatred for the U.S. in region."
STOP AGAIN! That IS the Liberal looney agenda and goal, "have the world love us."
"But if it failed to pick up the positive signals either in the report or in the Syrian welcome of what the report has contained, it (the U.S.) would remain drowned in the quagmire and the situation in the region and the entire world would remain unstable," the newspaper said."
More quotes from President President Jalal Talabani according to the AFP,
"As a whole, I reject this report," he said. "I think that the Baker-Hamilton report is not fair and not just, and it contains dangerous articles which undermine the sovereignty of Iraq and its constitution."
"We smell in this report the attitude of James Baker in the aftermath of the war in Kuwait," Talabani said.
So the "Good Guys" see this report as we, the intelligent ones whom chose to see reality, as a worthless piece of garbage, anti-Semitic, and could even possibly constitute AIDING the enemy. The enemy "Bad Guys" LOVES it. So what should that tell you?
Peter
Sources;Notice this little note on the bottom of this ridiculous article? Allow me to point it out for you,
"* A stringer in Tehran, Iran, contributed to this report."
A "Stinger" =A contestant, player, or other person ranked according to skill. One of "Little Hitler’s" drones helped write this article. Got to love it.
How does Iraq itself feel about this "Surrender Monkeys" report? According to the AP,
"The Iraqi president said Sunday the bipartisan U.S. report calling for a new approach to the war offered dangerous recommendations that would undermine his country's sovereignty and were "an insult to the people of Iraq."
President Jalal Talabani was the most senior government official to take a stand against the Iraq Study Group report, which has come under criticism from leaders of the governing Shiite and Kurdish parties.
He said the report "is not fair, is not just, and it contains some very dangerous articles which undermine the sovereignty of Iraq and the constitution.""
He goes on to say,
"I believe that President George Bush is a brave and committed man and he is adamant to support the Iraqi government until they've reached success," he said. He said setting conditions was "an insult to the people of Iraq."
STOP! Wait a second! Now he did it. Someone should tell President Talabani that complimenting President Bush is a sure way to get more people to disagree with him. {Smile}
"If we can agree with the U.S. government to give us the right of organizing, training, arming our armed forces, it will be possible in 2008 (for U.S.-led forces) to start to leave Iraq and to go back home," he said.
"If you read this report, one would think that it is written for a young, small colony that they are imposing these conditions on," Talabani said. "We are a sovereign country."
Then you have this other interesting little tidbit of information in reference to our enemies loving this report,
""Syria's ruling party's Al-Baath newspaper urged Bush to take the Iraq Study Group's report seriously because it would "diminish hatred for the U.S. in region."
STOP AGAIN! That IS the Liberal looney agenda and goal, "have the world love us."
"But if it failed to pick up the positive signals either in the report or in the Syrian welcome of what the report has contained, it (the U.S.) would remain drowned in the quagmire and the situation in the region and the entire world would remain unstable," the newspaper said."
More quotes from President President Jalal Talabani according to the AFP,
"As a whole, I reject this report," he said. "I think that the Baker-Hamilton report is not fair and not just, and it contains dangerous articles which undermine the sovereignty of Iraq and its constitution."
"We smell in this report the attitude of James Baker in the aftermath of the war in Kuwait," Talabani said.
So the "Good Guys" see this report as we, the intelligent ones whom chose to see reality, as a worthless piece of garbage, anti-Semitic, and could even possibly constitute AIDING the enemy. The enemy "Bad Guys" LOVES it. So what should that tell you?
Peter
AP-"Talabani calls Iraq report 'dangerous'"
AFP-"Talabani blasts 'insulting' US report on Iraq"
Christian Science Monitor-"Arab world welcomes Iraq Study Group report"
6 comments:
Oh, sure, Talabani condemned ISG because it doesn't give Al-Maliki enough powers.
This totally proves that ISG is siding with terrorists.
Hey Nikolay,
Welcome to the OPN.
Your right. They are siding with the terrorists. Just a side product of anti-Bush. There is no doubt about it. They really want us to loose, talk to "Little Hitler, and to hell with all the work our soldiers have done to this point.
It makes NO sense at all to the rational mind.
Peter
It's nothing about "anti-Bush". All the ruling factions in Iraq are aligned with Iran, and they never made a secret of this. Now that there's "young democracy" there, US can't change their policy. Did you notice, there was nothing about "don't force us to talk with Iran" (they already gladly do this) in Talabani's rebuff, it was all about "don't mess with our sovereignty". His eminence ayatollah Abdul-Aziz Al-Hakim, Mr. Death Squad, had the same message: give us more freedom [to slaughter Sunnies and kiss Iran's ass], there's no civil war here, all the Shias are practicing restraint, it's all those Baathists and Al-Qaeda causing trouble.
"They" don't want US to "lose", they just want US to help crush Sunnies and then leave "them" to enjoy the warm embraces of Ahmadinejad. That was the idea from the very beginning. Chalabi, original American man in Iraq turned out to be Iranian spy, you know.
Hey again Nikolay,
It's nothing about "anti-Bush". All the ruling factions in Iraq are aligned with Iran, and they never made a secret of this. Now that there's "young democracy" there, US can't change their policy. Did you notice, there was nothing about "don't force us to talk with Iran" (they already gladly do this) in Talabani's rebuff, it was all about "don't mess with our sovereignty". His eminence ayatollah
Abdul-Aziz Al-Hakim, Mr. Death Squad, had the same message: give us more freedom [to slaughter Sunnies and kiss Iran's ass], there's no civil war here, all the Shias are practicing restraint, it's all those Baathists and Al-Qaeda causing trouble.
"They" don't want US to "lose", they just want US to help crush Sunnies and then leave "them" to enjoy the warm embraces of Ahmadinejad. That was the idea from the very beginning. Chalabi, original American man in Iraq turned out to be Iranian spy, you know.”
That is an interesting take on this. I applaud you. I understand what you are saying, however, once the Iraqis can stand on their own and we can leave, what THEN happens between them and the Iranians is between them. Right now, there is two completely different stories.
1- Talabani did take offense to the wording and most of the 79 recommendations. What he wants, or says he wants, is his new Iraq to be strong enough to fend for itself. Of course he is going to meet with “Little Hitler.” he is his neighbor. He will meet with the Sunnies too. Again.
2- You then have “Little Hitler” telling us to get out. Make no mistake about it, he WANTS Iraq. He WANTS world domination. He IS just like the original.
He has said, as I have talked about for a while, every chance he gets, he wants Israel, the US, and any other people that do not convert to Muslim, HIS form of, dead. He is actively engaged in creating and building his army and weapons. He will DO what he says if he gets the chance.
I’m not so sure I’m ready to agree that Talabani is in bed with Ahmadinejad yet. Sounded to me like he just simply didn’t want to be told what to do with his own country. Like I said, when we pull out, if it comes to pass you are correct. We will indeed have more serious problems.
Let me ask you this. Let’s leave this wasted paper of a report aside for a second. What do YOU think we should do in this situation? Seriously, I would be honored to hear what you have to say. Do you think we should pull out. Stay the course {“I hate that phrase.}, or did you have something else in mind? What about “Little Hitler” do you think talks would stand a chance?
Peter
Well, you know, honestly, after reading so much about Iraq situation, I probably just reached a stage when I no longer believe to understand anything about the situation in Iraq. People who write about Iraq are either ignorant about situation and stick to the easy explanations or have an agenda that makes them spin facts. So I don't really pretend that what I write is indeed based on reality.
Of course he is going to meet with “Little Hitler.” he is his neighbor. He will meet with the Sunnies too. Again.
Talabani is Kurd, so it's a little different, but I've not seen Al-Maliki around many Sunnies. Some people say that he didn't snub Bush in Jordan -- in fact he didn't want to be caught on camera with Jordan's king.
Anyway, speaking about Ahmadinejad and his "murderous ambitions", there are some puzzling developments in Iran right now, what with Ahamadinejad castigated for "immorality", or being deprived of 1.5 years of his presidency, with Khamenei getting ill and his allies dying in the plane crash, Ahmadinejad's party loosing grounds, demonstrations all over the country etc. Ahmadinejad, at the moment, is not a man in firm grip of power, that can be said for sure. So you just can't say how long will he be around.
Speaking about "what should be done", I think the thing that definitely should not be done is engaging in partisan hysterics. And I think throwing ISG in the bin is exactly this. Everyone is ready to declare ISG "surrender monkeys" since they outrageously propose talking to Iran and Syria, missing the fact that:
1) Baker doesn't expect Iran to cooperate, he says that Iran's blatant refusal to do something constructive will give US further grounds for isolating it.
2) Bush's vision of resolution for Lebanon conflict was: "What they need to do is to get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit". That's basically the same thing Baker wants to do: "to get Syria to stop doing this shit". This includes making them stop supporting Hezbollah. Not, as some suggested, appeasing Syria with giving them Lebanon. I don't really know Syria's situation enough, but to see them as standing on the "united Global Islamist front" is not sane. 75% of their population are Sunni, while ruling elite belongs to Alawite minority. The country is strained by influx of Sunni refugees from Iraq. If Iraq explodes Syria's regime will be likely overthrown, so there is real leverage against them.
3) There is in fact nothing about "cut-and-run" in ISG, withdrawal starting in 2008 is not unconditional. Everybody in Iraq knows that government is corrupt and lazy and should somehow be forced into real action, and to threaten them a little might help.
You know, this unfounded declaring ISG "defeatist" is really about fitting reality into totally invented discourse of "terrorist-lovers" etc. People who know a lot about Iraq and are very much invested into its fortune are OK with it. "Go smart" is probably the best strategy.
Hey Nikolay,
I really do not see the view of the report as partisan politics. Most on both sides see this as a joke. Do I agree with some of it’s suggestions? In a way yes. I agree with what you pointed out. That perhaps it is time to say to them, “We came, we saw, we kicked ass. Now it’s up to you. We will help but we will not be here forever. It’s time that you stand or fall on your own. As we did so many years ago.
About your points.
1) Baker doesn't expect Iran to cooperate, he says that Iran's blatant refusal to do something constructive will give US further grounds for isolating it.
Just the fact that he suggests it, offends a lot of people. Knowing what “Little Hitler” stands for, believes, and SAYS he will do, to ask him for help is just ridiculous. If it is as you say a ploy, I just do not think Baker is that smart.
2) Bush's vision of resolution for Lebanon conflict was: "What they need to do is to get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit". That's basically the same thing Baker wants to do: "to get Syria to stop doing this shit". This includes making them stop supporting Hezbollah. Not, as some suggested, appeasing Syria with giving them Lebanon. I don't really know Syria's situation enough, but to see them as standing on the "united Global Islamist front" is not sane. 75% of their population are Sunni, while ruling elite belongs to Alawite minority. The country is strained by influx of Sunni refugees from Iraq. If Iraq explodes Syria's regime will be likely overthrown, so there is real leverage against them.
Then it boils down to what if they don’t?
3) There is in fact nothing about "cut-and-run" in ISG, withdrawal starting in 2008 is not unconditional. Everybody in Iraq knows that government is corrupt and lazy and should somehow be forced into real action, and to threaten them a little might help.
Like I said, I agree with that.
You know, this unfounded declaring ISG "defeatist" is really about fitting reality into totally invented discourse of "terrorist-lovers" etc. People who know a lot about Iraq and are very much invested
If you have followed these people, “The Group” long enough, you know that this report IS a farce. This is the same exact thing they have been saying. They WANT to cut, run, and surrender. They WANT to talk to a lunatic. All they did was go there to say they went there, never left the “Green Zone” and put in writing what they have wanted the whole time.
There is no doubt, not only the Iraqis, but people all around the world have a lot invested in Iraq.
Thanks for the links. I am starting to read the blogs there. Is that your blog? Very interesting to me. I ALWAYS want to learn about others, cultures, religions, ETC. I thank you again.
I truly hope beyond hope that you are right, and I am wrong when it come to “Little Hitler.” I truly hope that he is ousted. I hope that the Iraqi people come to enjoy a violence free democracy in THEIR form. I hope all ends well.
Peter
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