Thanks Pete
Hey folks,
No. I'm not thanking myself. I'm referring to Peter. One of our Newest OPNers. He doesn't agree with me much, but he does participate, and makes some good points. Well, he is the one that pointed this one out to me. In today's From the Energy Front, we will meet a Democrat that actually gets it. Who is he? Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer.
Montana's "Clean-Coal" Governor's Climate Change Blunder
Thursday 31 December 2009 by: Joshua Frank, t r u t h o u t Report
It was a good year for opponents of coal, the most plentiful and dangerous of the world's fossil fuels. No new coal plants broke ground in the US, and a total of 26 were defeated or abandoned by the coal industry in 2009.
Not good for our country, but good for the Dreamers.
As coal-fired power plants are the number one source of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions in the country, climate change activists have placed shutting down the industry atop their to-do list.
Not true. The number one source of CO2 emissions is YOU. People. We EXHALE it. Plants USE it, to turn it into Oxygen, in which ALL life use to live. CO2 is not now, nor has it ever been, a pollutant. I know, that's besides their point.
"2009 has been a remarkable year in our fight for clean energy," said Bruce Nilles, director of the Sierra Club's Beyond Coal Campaign. "There is a shift going on across America as companies realign away from old dirty practices involving coal and toward cleaner energy options, including wind, solar and becoming more efficient."
While the Sierra Club may be basking in exultation, coal opponents in Montana aren't quite as happy with the year's outcome in their state.
Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer and other members of the State Land Board, all Democrats, voted 4 to 1 on December 21 to open up Otter Creek, an approximately 10,000-acre checkerboard of public lands, to coal development in Montana's region of the Powder River Basin. An estimated 572 million tons in all will be auctioned off to coal companies for 25 cents a ton, with a small percentage of the money to be funneled to public schools.
"The main beneficiaries of leasing Otter Creek coal won't be coal miners or schools or the Northern Cheyenne or the residents of Powder River County," wrote local residents Bill and Judy Musgrave in the Billings Gazette leading up to the vote. "It will be coal speculators and the proposed Tongue River Railroad."
So anyone care to give that number? What is the amount that the schools will be getting that they would NOT be getting for it NOT for this program? Where would the opponents rather get the money from? Oh, yeah. They don't say.
As of 2006, an estimated 74.6 billion tons of coal reserves existed in Montana, which is the largest recoverable coal reserves of any state in the country. In fact, nearly 7.5 percent of the world's entire coal reserves reside in the Big Sky state.
Hey folks,
No. I'm not thanking myself. I'm referring to Peter. One of our Newest OPNers. He doesn't agree with me much, but he does participate, and makes some good points. Well, he is the one that pointed this one out to me. In today's From the Energy Front, we will meet a Democrat that actually gets it. Who is he? Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer.
Montana's "Clean-Coal" Governor's Climate Change Blunder
Thursday 31 December 2009 by: Joshua Frank, t r u t h o u t Report
It was a good year for opponents of coal, the most plentiful and dangerous of the world's fossil fuels. No new coal plants broke ground in the US, and a total of 26 were defeated or abandoned by the coal industry in 2009.
Not good for our country, but good for the Dreamers.
As coal-fired power plants are the number one source of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions in the country, climate change activists have placed shutting down the industry atop their to-do list.
Not true. The number one source of CO2 emissions is YOU. People. We EXHALE it. Plants USE it, to turn it into Oxygen, in which ALL life use to live. CO2 is not now, nor has it ever been, a pollutant. I know, that's besides their point.
"2009 has been a remarkable year in our fight for clean energy," said Bruce Nilles, director of the Sierra Club's Beyond Coal Campaign. "There is a shift going on across America as companies realign away from old dirty practices involving coal and toward cleaner energy options, including wind, solar and becoming more efficient."
While the Sierra Club may be basking in exultation, coal opponents in Montana aren't quite as happy with the year's outcome in their state.
Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer and other members of the State Land Board, all Democrats, voted 4 to 1 on December 21 to open up Otter Creek, an approximately 10,000-acre checkerboard of public lands, to coal development in Montana's region of the Powder River Basin. An estimated 572 million tons in all will be auctioned off to coal companies for 25 cents a ton, with a small percentage of the money to be funneled to public schools.
"The main beneficiaries of leasing Otter Creek coal won't be coal miners or schools or the Northern Cheyenne or the residents of Powder River County," wrote local residents Bill and Judy Musgrave in the Billings Gazette leading up to the vote. "It will be coal speculators and the proposed Tongue River Railroad."
So anyone care to give that number? What is the amount that the schools will be getting that they would NOT be getting for it NOT for this program? Where would the opponents rather get the money from? Oh, yeah. They don't say.
As of 2006, an estimated 74.6 billion tons of coal reserves existed in Montana, which is the largest recoverable coal reserves of any state in the country. In fact, nearly 7.5 percent of the world's entire coal reserves reside in the Big Sky state.
Denise Juneau, Montana's superintendent of public instruction was the only Land Board member that didn't take the bait that the money would be going to fund the schools she oversees. On the contrary, she argued, the land would benefit the public more if it were left untouched.
"We could sell every parcel of state land and log every tree on state lands, but we don't," said Juneau. "We don't because we want to sustain Montana's lands for future beneficial use ... Of course there is [monetary] value in mining the coal. But there is also value in keeping Montana 'Montana.'"
What would that be? "future beneficial use" Benefit to? What? Again, where would she rather the money come from?
In November Great Northern Properties leased its rights to Arch Coal Inc. to mine 9,600 acres of land that is interspersed with the State's Otter Creek parcels. The opening of these private reserves was a power play that forced the Land Board to consider opening its own lands in the area.
In all, a total of 1.3 billion tons of coal will be opened for development, which equates to about 3,834 pounds of CO2 per ton of coal, or a total of 2.6 billion tons of CO2 if all coal is burned to produce electricity - 78 times the state's annual output of CO2.
About. Truth is no one really knows. It's all made up. Just like "Carbon Footprints" and completely asinine Carbon Credits.
"We are disappointed they decided to stay with old, dirty energy instead of clean, sustainable energy of the future, but this isn't over," Jeanie Alderson, a Birney, Montana, rancher and co-chair of Northern Plains Resource Council's Tongue River Railroad Task Force, told Truthout in regard to the Otter Creek deal.
"We still maintain the entire process is flawed. There has been no overarching public process that includes a discussion of the environmental, economic, and social aspects and costs associated with leasing this coal."
Yet, you will not discuss the BENEFITS of using our own resources. Where all this money is going. Just standard, and mostly untrue talking points.
However, it is difficult to confront the real, burgeoning threat of climate change when Montana's own leading Democrat, Governor Schweitzer, believes that coal can be clean.
There is no threat. That's the whole point. It is a SCAM.
Dubbed the "Coal Cowboy" by CBS's "60 Minutes," Schweitzer has been everything but critical of the industry and is a vocal proponent of "coal-to-liquid" technology. While using coal to make fuel may reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil, critics are unconvinced that coal-to-liquids could ever combat global warming.
No such thing as Global Warm,, WAIT. Let me rephrase that. There is no such thing as Man-Made Global Warming that is destroying the Planet. There is no consensus. There is no evidence. The actual research they used to base this HOAX? Oh, yeah. They threw it all out. Oops.
"What they're proposing is simply not allowable if we want to avoid the perils of unconstrained anthropogenic climate change," said Pushker Karecha of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies. "The bottom line is that there's one fatal flaw in their proposed [coal-to-liquids] process from a climate protection standpoint. It would allow liquid fuel CO2 emissions to continue increasing indefinitely."
Schweitzer hasn't been listening and has instead proposed a $15 billion coal-to-liquids venture in southeastern Montana. The process, like the coal development in Otter Creek, will require strip mining to bring the coal to the surface and then be burned to generate electricity for the coal-to-liquids refinery, which would in turn be used to run diesel engines for the intense strip mining project. It's an endless cycle of CO2 emissions, which some environmentalists have called "Gov. Schweitzer's Perpetual Pollution Machine."
Schweitzer has made quite a name for himself in pro-coal energy circles, traveling around the country promoting "clean-coal" technology in speeches and presentations. The Montana governor has even appeared on several national television shows, even landing a prime-time spot at the Democratic National Convention in 2008 to promote his coal-intensive energy vision.
Many environmentalists are concerned that what President Bush was for oil, Governor Schweitzer could be for coal if his trajectory in the Democratic Party continues.
Speaking in Bismark, North Dakota, at a recent energy seminar, Schweitzer proclaimed that "clean-coal" technology would help generate billions in revenue for both Montana and North Dakota, not to mention the corporations that would be doing the digging.
Think of all those Jobs.
"With the resurgence of the Democratic Party in the West, many Democrats are reluctant to openly criticize their leaders," wrote Montanan Greg Gordon in High Country News last September about Schweitzer's backward energy policies. "Unity, however, does not mean blind acceptance of misguided policies that will lead to economic and environmental disaster."
MAN. I wish someone would say that about Obama and Crew. Talk about "blind acceptance of misguided policies that will lead to economic disaster."
Indeed, Schweitzer has worked hard to promote the coal industry in Montana, even helping to broker William Buffet's purchasing of the Burlington Northern-Santa Fe railway, which serves as the main transportation means for coal mined in Montana. He's also lauded the reopening of the Signal Hill mine near Broadview, Montana, which will become one of the largest in the state.
"This is a mine that will add 25 percent to the over all coal mining that we do in Montana," stated Schweitzer at the mine's reopening.
A portion of the coal mined in Montana will be shipped over to the exploding Asian markets that are increasingly burning coal to produce energy, but are lower in supplies than the US.
For the climate change movement to succeed in 2010, it seems vital that their fight ought to make its way to Montana's capital in Helena to confront Governor Schweitzer and his pro-coal industry posturing. Even if all new coal plants in the US are abandoned or halted next year, it will mean little if our nation's coal deposits continue to be exploited and incinerated overseas.
Bring out one of the HEADS, not to mention already debunked, GWBS Peddlers.
"What we have now is 387 parts [CO2] per million [in our atmosphere]. But we're going to have to bring that down to 350 parts per million or less," leading climate scientist James Hansen recently warned on Democracy Now! "And that's still possible, provided we phase out [global] coal emissions over the next few decades."
Thanks again Pete. That was very educational. Way to go Gov. Schweitzer.
Peter
9 comments:
Once again. This (Powder River coal) will never happen. We (Montanans) have the ability and RIGHT to stop such things, thanks to our constitution (see Article IX Section 1). To me this is a non-issue. It just won't ever happen. We've been screwed every which way in this state by the raping extract industry from the Berkley Pit in Butte, America (the largest Superfund site in U.S.) to W.R. Grace in Libby (in one of the most awe-inspiring areas on God's GREEN Earth). I'm sorry, but some things are just more important than jobs (those kind of jobs) and money. So we have different priorities in this state. Get your coal somewhere else.
PS. Our governor is an idiot.
Re: Schweitzer. Clean coal and coal to liquid? Are you serious? Fantasy. Do you know how much that costs? Who's gonna finance that?
Re: Schweitzer. Clean coal and coal to liquid? Fantasy. Do you know how much that costs? Who's gonna finance that?
It was a good year for opponents of coal, the most plentiful and dangerous of the world's fossil fuels. No new coal plants broke ground in the US, and a total of 26 were defeated or abandoned by the coal industry in 2009.
Not good for our country, but good for the Dreamers.
"All men who have achieved great things have been great dreamers."-Orison Swett Marden
Some men are just smart.
Hey Peter,
Who is going to finance it? I would assume the same as those that finance all of Big Oil Exploration, Drilling, Refining, and shipping. Big Oil. Or in this case, whatever company that gets the contract.
The tax payer does not pay for ANY of this. It is the company in charge of the extraction. We hear all the time how some think that Bio Oil Profits are "outrageous" yet NO ONE wants to talk about the BILLIONS they spend in Exploration, Drilling, refining, and shipping. The most Tax Payers ever pay, is TAX to the Federal Government for USING the Product.
Yet, many states and their citizenry REAP ther benefits. Some even get a check at the end of the year.
Peter
As for this?
"All men who have achieved great things have been great dreamers."-Orison Swett Marden
Maybe true. Yet,
"The best way to make your dreams come true is to wake up."
- Paul Valery
We have to deal with reality while seeking out the dream. As for this whole Green Movement?
"The most pitiful among men is he who turns his dreams into silver and gold."
- Kahlil Gibran
Just a few thoughts.
Peter
ugh...
Yet, many states and their citizenry REAP ther benefits. Some even get a check at the end of the year.
WE DON'T WANT THEIR STINKING MONEY.
How come this is so hard to comprehend? And Montana is not like many states. In fact we are not like ANY state. That's why I live here. And that's why I will never live east of the Mississippi again.
Just stop thinking about money for one second. Money cannot bring natural clean water back to Butte. Money cannot bring back those hundreds of lives lost to malignant mesothelioma in Libby.
The biggest impediment is the economics of C-T-L. C-T-L costs are driven by the capital cost to construct the facility, the coal feedstock costs, and the operating costs of the facility. Depending on the variability of these items and various estimates, these costs can range from $35 to $80 per barrel. If oil is below these costs, C-T-L is uneconomic. This risk makes the financial community reluctant to provide project financing and make companies reluctant to enter into this venture.
$3 billion for a new plant. Who's going to finance this in this financial climate? Too much risk right now.
I really am short on time this morning Pete, but let me answer a couple of your question all together.
I do not love money. However, without it, you will die. Without money, the world would die. The World RUNS on Money. You don't have any, you will not eat, have a roof, be able to exist. You seem to hate money. That's OK, but do you use it? I bet you do.
Truth is the World RUNS on Oil and Natural Gas. Planes can not fly with Solar power. If all the cars just in my neighborhood went electric, where would they all plug in? What source would charge all those cars. Would the grid handle that? Wind is not reliable. Even t boone pickens abandoned that for natural gas.
There just is no alternatives right this second. The BOOST to the Economy, increase in Real Jobs, and lower energy costs are a GOOD THING. Especially in the financial climate we are in right now.
There is no Made-made Global Warming. It is all a hoax. A Scam. At the core of that SCAM is, yup, you guessed it. MONEY. Power, Control, and MONEY. It has NOTHING to do with saving the planet. NOTHING whatsoever.
Peter
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